so just making sure, for older campaigns (6-8+ months old) they would have to meet all 3 requirements to be purged?

Hey Curly, im curious as to why you are starting with clubs made in 2023/2024? Wouldnt it make more sense to start with the ones that were made in 2021 and 2022 with no progress? 

There are a total of over 50 clubs that have been sitting since 2021-2024 with no activity at all. If in all that time frame you are still at 0% I think it makes perfect sense to remove it. Even 2023/2024. If in two or one years time you haven't done anything at all, it should be removed.

so i was curious and tried my best to math it out. here's a rough estimate of long it should take to submit gen-1s from scratch:

the reqs are a TB of 5 and 500 PS, so you want both parents to have a total of 50 levels between the two of them.

assuming we're using foundations (because we don't have enough time to gather wilds and breed coins are too varied with their BV), in my experience 3-4 star foundations should reach over level 25 before they've turned 3 years old. so as a whole we can assume most foundations can reach level 25 by the time they're of breeding age (3 years old).

this means that prepping foundations takes about one week.
the PS after one week of training of training also leaves the foundations at around 150 PS each

breeding these foundations after a week results in TB5 foals with about 75 PS each (150 + 150 = 300 divided by 4 is 75 PS)
in order to get the PS up to 500 they'll need to be trained. a TB of 5 results in roughly 60 PS gained per week.

7 weeks of training will result in 420 PS, adding that to the birth PS of 75 results in 495.

so for a 50/50 campaign cross that is currently at 0%, no coins, and 6-8 months old (6? or 8? unsure how this works since it's not exact haha), it should roughly take 8 weeks to have gen-1s eligible for submission

leveling the parents more may help reduce the amount of training weeks needed, i don't really have the info to calculate this and most other players don't either.

But you dont need foundations and 8 weeks is nothing in comparison there are over 50 that have been around for 3-4 years. 

53 campaigns from 2021-2024 all at 0% 22 from 2025 at 0% and 20 at 0.5%

A good chunk of the 2025 ones at 0% have been around since as early as June. 

You don't even need to complete a generation, just more than 10 horses.  And since you dont need foundations, or even as you said if you do, only takes 8 weeks which is nothing, anyone who wants their campaign to stick around should have done that 3 years ago. 

I highly doubt they are going to remove a campaign started 3 months ago that hasn't gotten far. There are 53 inactive campaigns from years past that are the biggest issue realistically. I don't see any reason why anyone needs to stress about this as if Curly is some dictator that's going to suddenly delete and every campaign. She is reasonable. 

Most of these older campaign founders haven't been around in years and even if they have, they haven't done a single thing for the campaign in years. It doesnt need to be around. We have hundreds of campaigns right now, with almost a hundred alone just sitting. If you reeeaalllly reeeaaally want one to stay that badly, then start working on it. If its currently actively growing, like I said, I doubt Curly is gonna be that mean and toss is anyway but all these campaigns that have sat for years need to go. 

Maki I understand what you are saying, but I also think the point being made / brought up by others may have been missed :) 

We are all just trying to make sure we know what's being done with campaigns, and how things were worded initially in news seemed weird and maybe not fully telling of full details.   The response that was given did help to some extent and provided more info on what campaigns were being considered for all of this.

No one is saying 2023-2024 clubs should not be purged.   It was just the way it was worded that people wanna make sure older campaigns are being looked at more than newer ones.   WHICH was clarified more than it had been.   

As for Forgs post, a lot of people dont have 20 million breeds ready to jump into campaigns and so A LOT of people have to go buy foundations for at least one breed.    It wasn't saying EVERYONE does that, but it was just added info from the playerbase about how long it can take to even get to a point of breeding sometimes.    From today there is 5ish weeks until Jan 2.   For some campaigns that may not have been possible.    Like campaigns with more breeds will take longer to get those 10 horses just due to the time it takes to get a horse to breeding age or to level horses to the point the have say, the proper PS.   

I think some of the comments are also because end of 2024 / beginning and middle of 2025 you are looking at a lot of things that happened that pushed people away, and some people are still filtering in and getting back on their feet.    

But like I said, the extra clarifications have to some extent helped, its just players who actively partake in campaigns, or running campaigns trying to make sure we understand what's happening 

last comments i have about this topic, not directed at anyone in particular:

• January 2nd is 5 weeks away. 5 weeks is less than 8 weeks.
• my earlier comment was just meant to be one example, there are many methods people can use depending on how rich they are. i was using the method that i know for a fact that most people are trying to use right now.
• because many 50/50 crosses have already been taken, many of the current campaigns contain at least 3 breeds.
• yes, there is the argument that it's the players fault for making overly complicated crosses that take forever. however, the system has been in place as-is for a very long time with no restrictions on breed % make up at all. campaigns are one the most popular aspects of HoFa, the situation we're in is a natural evolution of the popularity + lack of restrictions for years. it's a waste of time to blame either the players or the devs for why this happened. it is what it is and just needs to be dealt with now.
• foundations are the most accessible type of starter horse for all players, just because i can buy up and breed to every horse on the market without breaking my bank doesn't mean everyone else can and should.
• sometimes people have things like real life issues keeping them from progressing their campaign. we can't feasibly cater to everyone's different lives and issues, but even just being aware that not everyone can log in every day or even every week/month is important.
• i've never made a campaign myself, i'm not even that attached to the ones i took over. but i can have empathy for people who put a lot of work and time into creating their campaigns. i can also have empathy for people being upset at the idea of starting all over again.
• lots of people left and are never coming back after what happened earlier this year. it's not surprising their campaigns are sitting empty now and if they left for good then yes, their campaign(s) may as well be deleted. not their fault the game was ruined for them to the point they left though.

i am overall, extremely in favor of campaign bloat being addressed. i know it's causing tons of issues and a purge is 100% what we need right now. with enough consideration and care put into how the deletion will occur, i think it can happen without any severe negative effects to the playerbase.

it's making me sad to read people's concerns and uncertainties about the changing policies occasionally not really being treated with the care and empathy they deserve. people may be worried for the future of their projects, or just unsure about what's next, i don't think anyone believes their campaigns will be deleted without warning at someone's whim. i think everyone's thoughts are expressed in a nuanced way and just want to know what's happening and how best to address the bloating issue. engaging and listening to these concerns in good faith and with understanding that these are the perspectives of dedicated players is essential to forming a bond of trust between developer and player.

To me it seems pretty clear. If you have 0% accomplished, no coins donated and less than 10 horses in gen 1, its out. Assume its pretty safe to say that recently added campaigns wont count. All of these campagins are generally owned by inactive players, so I am really not sure why anyone here is even concerned to begin with. All it takes is actually looking at campaigns to see this. 

And again, Curly isnt a tyrant. If the club was made 3 months I highly doubt she is gonna delete it. Or any this year, even. Let's at least be a bit reasonable here. 

I still dont see what 8 weeks have to do with it. There is nothing and never has been anything that says you need an entire generation to avoid deletion. Heck, a lot of bred horses sell for cheaper than foundations and most have several hundred PS so it really wouldn't even be a struggle to get 10 horses bred, unless you do have more than 3 in a cross. And even then, if horses were just registered in these next few weeks, it would be active, so again, I think its safe to say reason can be used. The requirements are pretty clear. I am just really struggling to see what the stress here is. 

Bed isnt in charge anymore. Curly is. Can we really just expect her to not be reasonable and throw in the towel at everything? Come on guys. 

no one's brought up the idea of Curly being a tyrant here except you Maki, the rest of us have been content to have a reasonable and civil conversation with Curly and each other despite the differing opinions we all may have. 💚