yeah, you could include the money you save by not having to pay for training at someone's else as part of the "profit" but i don't know, the cost is just super high for what you can get back. i don't think i even knew about how training centers affect boarding until i finished maxing mine out, i just did it for the convenience since i collect a lot of random horses across different disciplines and ranks. though i sometimes train my side account horses at other stables so i can help out a bit.

part of me wishes that training fees were dependent on ranks instead of "cheapest fee wins", like if someone went through the trouble of getting their certification(s) to universal i'd be more than happy to pay extra to train at their center.

I remember having Flat Racing Universal maxed out firstly and then I may have gotten to... Regional? Or state for the others. I wish I could fully recall it but I don't. Once I saw that Bed/Curly weren't interested in nixing the two, I eventually upgraded everything and it cost me well over 400k for it and I was beyond livid at that and I still am to this day.

It's waaaaay too much money and as Maki had said, if you are upgraded, then what would be the point of using someone elses' training center when you have your own? I always used my own back then as most of my horses were flat racers.

I maxed everything out with the idea that boarding and training would be a lucrative income, but I don't make enough to even cover my horses' daily care. I've never had my training center used with it set at $5 - which I understand, because there are centers set at $1. Outrageous amount of money dumped into my training center and boarding for no return, aside from saving money on my spare account by boarding my horses at my own stable. 

I agree with @forgottenland - I wish there was a more set or competitive price for training. Or maybe stables could invest into specialty disciplines? Really small boosts for boarding and training at stables that have invested money in maxing out training centers in certain disciplines? There's no money to be made and no competition when some training centers are set at $1 - but I also understand that getting started is expensive and cheap board and cheap training are necessary. Not sure where the balance is, but I definitely agree that it's worth looking at for adjustment/tweaking/overhaul? 

i feel like when it comes to boarding fees we're kind of having the opposite problem. while we're practically flooded with cheap training centers, fair boarding fees are incredibly difficult to find. it feels like the balance is completely off on different sides of the line. new players can easily find high PS horses for cheap or in the rescue, train them at a large amount of different centers, but be unable to board them for that training in the first place. tbh, even low PS horses run into this issue. i think a few things need be done to reduce the amount of frustration players can have with the boarding and training systems:

•first of all, have it clearly stated how training center certifications affect boarding. even if nothing will be changed for a while, it's not really fair that players have to either figure it out by experimenting or by word of mouth.

•looking back at this news post, it seems the cost for training will be eventually taken out. i am still not sure whether it means you just don't pay for training at the stable you're boarding at or that training fees will be taken out of the game completely, or maybe something else entirely...? either way, while on it's own i feel this will not really change much for people who train at other stables and may make it slightly worse for stable owners, i think if done in tandem with more changes to the system it would be fine. i still would prefer to see training fees dependent on level on certifications but i wouldn't be entirely opposed to the removal/partial removal of training fees if it's not just implemented by itself with no other adjustments.

•if there are no plans to separate certifications from boarding availability, then maybe supporting and refining that system more could make it less unfair. give better profits from boarding fees at stables with higher certifications and/or reduce the cost of leveling your certifications. the latter would not help me and the others who already paid hundreds of thousands to max out but it would at still be a good change for the others.

this is just one idea, but if training fees will get nerfed then how about having boarding cost more for higher ranks? maybe we could even set our prices within a set range that depends on the current certification? something like $1-$10 for Foundation, $11-$20 for Local, and so on. to keep it simple, it could be the same across every certification you level you have, so your Regional Driving boarders would pay the same as your Regional Endurance boarders.

my only issue is tiers, would it be fair for Foundation Tier 1 horses to have the same boarding fees as a Foundation Tier 2 horse...? i'm personally not sure what would be best in that case.

also it goes without saying, but i understand this is just one of the things that needs addressing on HoFa and that there's many other new features/fixes/CC artwork that also needs to be done eventually. if it takes a long while to revamp boarding and training to ensure that it's done well then i wouldn't mind having to wait.

I remember when most boarding centers were all $5. Mine still are. 

I still havent finished upgrading all my training certificates. I do a little at a time since its so freakin expensive and I do for all my own horses anyway, but yeah theres absolutely no return on me spending all that money. Especially since my boarders arent required to use my centers that they have to qualify for in order to board there. Because... make it make sense. 

And even though we arent profiting off paying insane fees to upgrade our training centers, I dont see how nixing the cost to train is going to help anything. 

My boarding center is still $5 for full and I still plan on working through adding more stalls, it's just taking time but I agree, as new players trying to find cheap boarding/training centers might be hard. I mean, the cheapest I can sometimes find is $10 for DIY, sure newer players really shouldn't have more horses than they have stalls for and then be forced to outside boarding early on too. On occasion I have found $1 and even $5, there were some at $7 and $8 but still, everyone else wants $10+ for DIY. I'm not spending more for DIY than I absolutely have to, then tack on that to even do Full you are really lookin at outrageous pricing, same with Part.

I simply just would have liked to not have to spend so much freaking bits just so anyone and everyone could board with me and not miss out on potential boarders because I didn't have the proper certifications that these people may not even use my Training Centers in the first place. No matter how many times I can complain about it to my cousin, none of it makes sense and none of it ever will.

I mean look, Kail is trying to have a Boarding Center but missing out on people boarding with them because they more than likely do not have the proper Training Certifications as most players nowadays have horses that are in Universal tiers etc.

I'm curious why you were vetoed? The whole training centre dependent boarding makes 0 sense to me, especially when you train your horses separately to where they're boarded. I could understand the current setup if it was built in auto training as part of the boarding package, but it's not.

Ohh, Circe, I really like that idea - a more expensive boarding option that comes with auto training. That'd tie in the boarding/training center. 

I'd definitely pay for auto trained/cared for boarding packages! Even better if they added auto show entries 🤣

I know when she originally posted the idea, not many people responded I think, at least not like they are now. I remember she said they talked about it during a livestream and said they had no plans to change it but I dont remember why. 

With more people in agreement, maybe you should post in the feature request cuz and if enough of us vote it they might consider it now