Is my breeding project even possible?

Magpiebrain [Bronze || 26 posts] on 6/18/2024 4:01 pm

Hello all!

I really want to try to breed skewed roan arabians, but I realized I don't know enough about genetics to know if that is even a possibility. Is this achievable in this game or should I pick a different project?


destinysWalrus

Post Count: 165

6/18/2024 4:21 pm

Roan is not currently available in Arabians - it's a gene that they used to have that then got removed. There might be some studs or broods out there that still have roan, but I haven't checked. They'd also, I believe, be from before variants were added, so they wouldn't be able to pass on skewed. Also, variants... don't have the biggest chance of passing down, even if the color itself does.

 

It's not impossible, though! Theoretically you could get skewed roan on another breed, and grade it into the Arabians - but it'll take a lot of generations, and probably lots of tries in order to get the skewed to pass and not just the roan. (And/or lots of luck, and/or the ingot item that increases the chance of passing a variant (plus luck))

 

In short: possible, yes, but most likely time-consuming and tricky. If you do it, I wish you the best of luck!

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Acoustic

Post Count: 214

6/18/2024 4:24 pm

I think this is definitely a challenging yet possible project! If I remember correctly, roan does not appear naturally in Arabians, so you will need to either find studs/broods with roan in order to acquire the gene or breed some grade-Arabians yourself. I also do not have personal experience with purposefully breeding skewed roans, but I do believe that the skewed variation is related to marking variants? This you might have to experiment with, but overall I do believe it is possible with time and effort!

 

P.S. - My apologies Destiny, wasn't aware you had already posted!

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Vale

Post Count: 308

6/18/2024 4:30 pm

Skewed is a hard coat to pass down in general so it'd be very tricky to breed it into an Arabian; but it's not impossible! As mentioned above, however, variants themselves are also hard to pass down to foals. Nevertheless I think you should still do it! I wish you the best of luck! 

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Magpiebrain

Post Count: 26

6/18/2024 4:37 pm

So if I understand correctly, I can't custom make any purebred arabians with roan anymore, but I might be able to still get it passed down by breeding to studs/broods with roan? 

I would really like to stay with purebred arabians and not go with grade ones so I can still register them. 

 

 



Matcha

Post Count: 164

6/18/2024 5:11 pm

Yes, any new Arabian (wild/foundation/custom/etc) will not have roan, but you can breed it into your own Arabians by using existing roan studs/broods (which is what I did).

I've only bred one skewed roan Arabian, and I'm not even sure how it happened lol - had to request a grade image for him. So it is possible!

 

 



destinysWalrus

Post Count: 165

6/18/2024 5:18 pm

Oh! Thanks to Matcha for her post, that actually does confirm another avenue for the skewed - I'd forgotten that the mechanics of marking variations are still rather... ambiguous. I see that skewed roan Arabian had a variant sabino for a parent, so...

 

Magpiebrain, you're correct - no custom Arabians with roan anymore, and yes, you can still get roan passed down by breeding to studs/broods with it. And, based on Matcha's post, it's possible for the sabino gene's variant to sort of cross over to affecting roan. So my recommendation would be to focus on looking for sabino variants for your own horses, and breed those to any roan studs/broods you can find, and hope you get lucky!

(let me know if you want me to pull foundies for you, looking for sabino/white variants, I love doing that)

 

Edit: Acoustic, no worries, it happens

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Maki

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6/18/2024 7:38 pm

I do have a roan stallion if you are ever interested in breeding to him



WirelessMouse2

Post Count: 9

6/19/2024 12:17 am

It's been confirmed (by extensive testing) that KIT variation 3 (sabino3, tobiano3) causes skewed roan, so if you get an Arabian with roan, and another with sabino3 and breed them together, you'll get a chance of breeding a skewed roan Arabian :) variations do not like passing on easily though 🙃



Magpiebrain

Post Count: 26

6/19/2024 2:40 am

@matcha Yes I saw yours! It made me hopeful that my project is possible!

@Maki I am!

@destinysWalrus I would love it if you could try to pull foundies and then I would need ones with sabino3, right MissMouse? 

I'm really excited! This could actually work!!

 



Vale

Post Count: 308

6/19/2024 10:51 am

It is possible, as stated above, but please don't get your hopes up as variations like that are EXTREMELY hard to pass down to foals. I remember breeding two skewed horses recently and the foal wasn't skewed at all.

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