Ꭷ Iberians & Araloosas Show Stock
Oaken Fields [Basic || 91 posts] on 7/13/2022 7:00 pm
**Don't want to read the specifics? Check out the first reply for the summary.**
In order to help to popularize these two breeds (nominally Iberians, but since I have them, also Araloosas) I've decided to open all of my show strings to be accessed at any time to any player, available upon request. First, I'll introduce both breeds.
Iberian Warmblood
Perhaps considered the 'original' dressage horse, this large warmblood is supposed to have been a key factor in arguably most breeds alive today. Having a long history as first nominally a war horse and then a choice for nobility and onward toward more modern occupations (dressage), this breed today appears to've lost itself among the long list of other warmbloods from around the world.
On Horse Fable, this breed is considered a 'Crossbreed' and is created by crossing the Andalusian with the Thoroughbred. Set up still for dressage, I have found that my line succeeded very beautifully in cutting. So this is what my stock excels at. However, with just a little work (perhaps a single generation or two), these horses can be retrained to excel in Barrels, Flats (some of mine already do quite well in flat racing), or Show Jumping and perhaps with just a little additional work, could work out very well in Hunter or Reining or also in Trail or Eventing.
Araloosa
This horse (as the internet suggests) appears to the redevelopment of the Nez Perce peoples and what is considered the 'original' Appaloosa as it was in the 18th and 19th centuries. But is indeed the cross between the Appaloosa and the Arabian.
On Horse Fable, this is also where we get this 'Crossbreed', by crossing an Appaloosa with an Arabian. Set up for Endurance, I have chosen my line to be Pole specialties, but I have also found that where one might struggle in poles either because of competition or because of skills, that horse can deal with endurance competitions much, much easier. With a little retraining (a generation or two), these horses I have could be successfully shown in Hunter Under Saddle or possibly Barrels or Show Jumping. There are other options, but they may take a little additional effort. However of those, the best options might be Western Pleasure or Dressage.
How This Works/What I'm Offering
I'm offering access to any of my Iberian or Araloosa stock for breeding purposes. Feel free to pick the mare and the stallion, make them a cross between the Araloosa and the Iberian or make them pure. Keep an eye on the levels and if you like color, take a look at their color genes (all of mine are tested).
I'll match them together and deliver a foal. If you like the foal, offer a price you can afford for it (with one exception of those 18 years and older, see below). This means I'll accept ingots or bits and it will always fall within your price, even if you're a newbie and have just a single bit to pay. Yes, this does rely very heavily on you being honest about what you're purchasing.
You can request breedings as many times as you like, but you may have only one open request at a time.
What happens if I don't like the foal? If, for whatever reason, you don't like the outcome foal, you're free to refuse it. The foal will likely be put on the open market for sale, either in the auctions or in open sale or both. There's also the chance of the foal being retired, so please keep this in mind.
Any mare or stallion of the above two breeds are open for requestable breedings, the list will appear following. I will also offer outside coverings to your mare or stallion from your choice, this will be set up as a private breeding (and considered a breeding separate from the forum offer). However, since I level my horses, I will require your horse to be at least level 50, or be of an advanced age where levels are simply lacking. In this second case, coverings will be considered on a case by case basis.
I will even offer straws and eggs, but these will be restricted to you paying the pull-fee PLUS paying the fee for basic studding/brooding below. I'm looking to offer live foals for people who're interested and not those that want to 'save for later'.
I... have money, but am awful at figuring out a horse's worth. Can you help guide me there? Yeah. For those of you that have the funds and are interested at being at least minimally fair but do have trouble with what that 'Fair' might be, below is a breakdown list of what I would put the horses up for open brood/stud. If you combine the two, you'll get a fair idea of what I think the foal's worth should minimally be.
Any reason a horse may not be available? Obviously, if the horse is on cooldown. Otherwise, if a horse has been overbred (more than seven living offspring or so), I will likely NOT allow any straw or egg pulls and will likely NOT allow any outside coverings... with very few exceptions, but live foals can still be bred. Also, if I've already sent you or I see on your account multiple foals by the same sire or brood (or both) of mine, I may close off one in particular to help spread the blood around a little more. So, please make sure you choose different parents (exception with this is if I have only a couple choices) if you want more than one of the same breed.
Also, once a horse breaches their 18th birthday, they will no longer be available to this program... temporarily. I will need my own stock from such a horse and when I'm happy with my own foal, the elder-horse will be applied to open breeding market for a set fee. Once this happens stud and brood fees will be set permanently and the horse's fee MUST be included in the foal's pickup cost.
Pricing, for those that need some guidance
Please remember, this is only to aid people who want to collect foal's and can afford to pay. Also remember, these are estimates and not actual and based on current market values (July of 2022). When the horse goes up for public stud or brood after 18 years, the market may have changed or I may feel the horse is worth more or less than listed estimates based on color or stars, or also their previous foal use (living or otherwise may both factor in).
Iberian Stallions
Stallions within Tier 1 & at or under level 50: between 500 & 2000 bits only
Stallions within Tier 1 & over level 50 but under level 100: between 2000 & 6000 bits OR between 10 & 20 ingots
Stallions within Tier 1 & above level 100: between 10k to 15k bits OR between 20 & 30 ingots
Stallions within Tier 2 and Under level 50: between 3500 & 7500 bits only
Stallions within Tier 2 and over level 50 but under level 100: between 8000 & 12k OR between 20 & 30 ingots
Stallions within Tier 2 and over level 100: between 15k & 25k OR between 50 & 100 ingots
Iberian Mares
Mares within Tier 1 & at or under level 70 : between 2000 & 5000 bits only
Mares within Tier 1 & over level 70 but under level 100: between 5000 & 8k bits OR between 10 & 20 ingots
Mares within Tier 1 & over level 100: 10k to 15k bits OR between 20 ingots & 35 ingots
Mares within Tier 2 & under level 70: between 4500 & 7k bits only
Mares within Tier 2 & over level 70 but under level 100: between 10k to 15k OR between 25 ingots & 40 ingots
Mares within Tier 2 & above level 100: Starting at 35k bits OR starting at 50 ingots
Araloosa Stallions
Stallions within Tier 1 & under level 60 : between 500 & 1500 bits only
Stallions within Tier 1 & over level 60 but under level 90: between 1500 & 2500 bits only
Stallions within Tier 1 & over level 90: between 4000 & 6500 bits only
Stallions within Tier 2 & under level 60: between 2500 & 4500 bits only
Stallions within Tier 2 & over level 60 but under level 90: between 5500 & 8000 bits OR between 10 & 15 ingots
Stallions within Tier 2 & above level 90: between 10k & 15k OR between 20 & 30 ingots
Araloosa Mares
Mares within Tier 1 & under level 70: between 500 & 5000 bits only
Mares within Tier 1 & over level 70 but under level 95: between 6500 & 8000 bits OR between 10 & 15 ingots
Mares within Tier 1 & over level 95: between 10k & 15k bits OR between 20 & 30 ingots
Mares within Tier 2 & under level 70: between 3000 & 7000 bits only
Mares within Tier 2 & over level 70 but under level 95: between 8000 & 12k OR between 12 & 18 ingots
Mares within Tier 2 & over level 95: starting at 15k OR starting at 20 ingots
Now to the fun part
Updated: April 3rd, 2024
*Visit horses to confirm levels & PS. Levels noted are minimum at update.*
*Minimal foal TB's are determined by adding both parents levels and dividing by 10.*
*The TB recorded in each ad is the minimal TB # you can expect to receive, if bred to a level 1 partner, after foal training.*
*Any Purchased horse will have limited outside foals, to preserve the breeder's lines (exception to breeder's requests).*
*Any horse up for ingot stud or brood, can be renegotiated into bits for THIS forum only.*
*Gray horses will have noted original colors where available.*
*Apologies if the links don't work, they don't save properly after edits, sometimes.*
Iberian Stallions
Ꭷ Tsunami Rage - 18y, 1 Star, Black Sabino, Tier 2, Level 87, 3289 PS, TB 8 *Currently Unavailable*
Ꭷ Deep Fate - 17y, 2 Star, Light Chestnut, Tier 2, Level 86, 2776 PS, TB 8
Ꭷ Aimless - 17y, 1 Star, Honey Roan, Tier 2, Level 92, 3563 PS, TB 9
Ꭷ Old Horns - 15y, 2 Star, White, Tier 2, Level 116 5094 PS, TB 11
Ꭷ Well Meaning Nothing - 15y, 2 Star, Red Chestnut Tobiano, Tier 2, Level 111, 4515 PS, TB 11
Ꭷ Burst Signal - 14y, 2 Star, White, Tier 2, Level 87, 3681 PS, TB 8
Ꭷ Empty Waters - 14y, 3 Star, Brown Bay Sabino, Tier 2, Level 106, 4674 PS, TB 10
Ꭷ Odyssey Echo - 13y, 2 Star, Rose Grey Rabicano, Tier 2, Level 97, 3581 PS, TB 9 For Stud: 13k
Ꭷ Challenge - 10y, 1 Star, Bay Rabicano, Tier 2, Level 75, 3294 PS, TB 7
Ꭷ Bad Mood - 11y, 1 Star, Standard Chestnut Dun, Tier 1, Level 71, 2737 PS, TB 7
△ Lost Legacy - 15y, 2 Star, Pearl Tobiano Leopard, Tier 2, Level 72, 3807 PS, TB 7 *Purchased*
Ꭷ Demon's Curse - 8y, 2 Star, Pearl Rabicano, Tier 2, Level 79, 3741 PS, TB 8
Ꭷ Perfect Subject - 7y, 1 Star, Light Bay Sabino, Tier 2, Level 60, 3103 PS, TB 6
Ꭷ Strength From Demons - 6y, 1 Star, Pearl Dun Rabicano, Tier 2, Level 68, 3553 PS, TB 6
Ꭷ Breaking Creation - 6y, 3 Star, White, Tier 1, Level 63, 1971 PS, TB 6
Ꭷ Empty Conscious - 6y, 2 Star, Light Chestnut Rabicano, Tier 2, Level 79, 4157 PS, TB 8
Ꭷ Brilliantly Fury - 0y, 2 Star, Black, Tier 1, Level 1, 1016 PS, TB 1
Iberian Mares
Legend - 21y, 1 Star, Smoky Black Tobiano, Tier 2, Level 123, 5181 PS, TB 12, *Upon Special Allowance Only*
△ Star Cloak - 19y, 2 Star, Light Palomino, Tier 1, Level 91, 2524 PS, TB 9 *Purchased* *Currently Unavailable*
△ A Far Off Refrain Harlequin - 17y, 1 Star, Rose Grey Sabino (Light Buckskin Sabino), Tier 2, Level 97, 3500 PS, TB 9 *Purchased*
Ꭷ Wraith - 17y, 2 Star, White, Tier 2, Level 90, 3214 PS, TB 9
Ꭷ Accusations - 13y, 2 Star, White, Tier 2, Level 86, 3553 PS, TB 8
Ꭷ Abyssal Fracture - 13y, 1 Star, Red Chestnut, Tier 2, Level 89, 3340 PS, TB 9
Ꭷ Amnesia - 12y, 2 Star, Pearl Rabicano, Tier 2, Level 78, 3418 PS, TB 7
Ꭷ Dueling Destinies - 9y, 2 Star, Brown Dun Rabicano, Tier 2, Level 75, 2927 PS, TB 7
Ꭷ Brimstone Kingdom - 10y, 2 Star, Flaxen Strawberry Roan Rabicano, Tier 2, Level 89, 3896 PS, TB 9
Ꭷ Fading Gray And Gone - 8y, 2 Star, Red Chestnut Dun, Tier 2, Level 86, 4483 PS, TB 8
△ Golden Diamond - 7y, 2 Star, Sooty Perlino Roan Tobiano Leopard, Tier 1, Level 59, 1775 PS, TB 6 *Purchased*
Ꭷ Deadly Desires - 6y, 2 Star, Red Chestnut Rabicano, Tier 1, Level 60, 1942 PS, TB 6
Ꭷ Happenstance Hollow - 3y, 2 Star, Smoky Cream Rabicano, Tier 1, Level 44, 2503 PS, TB 4
Ꭷ Fallen Legacies - 1y, 2 Star, Smoky Black Dun, Tier 1, Level 29, 2316 PS, TB 3
Araloosa Stallions
𓆱EHR Outlaw Axel - 24y, 3 Star, Smoky Black, Tier 2, Level 96, 3413 PS, TB 9 *For Stud: 25k
Ꭷ Ordeal - 15y, 2 Star, Flaxen Strawberry Roan Dun Varnish Roan, Tier 2, Level 103, 4219 PS, TB 10
𓆱EHR Riding Pharoahs - 15y, 3 Star, Buckskin Splash White, Tier 1, Level 77, 2390 PS, TB 7 *Purchased* *For Stud: 30 ingots
Ꭷ The Tales To Tell - 10y, 1 Star, Amber Silver Leopard, Tier 2, Level 78, 3011 PS, TB 7
Elias Song - 2y, 3 Star, Sooty Cremello Varnish Roan, Tier 1, Level 32, 1317 PS, TB 3, *Purchased*
Ꭷ Longing For Emptiness - 10y, 3 Star, Light Chestnut Varnish Roan, Tier 2, Level 89, 4013 PS, TB 9
Ꭷ Excessive Roughness - 8y, 1 Star, Amber Dun Sabino Varnish Roan, Tier 2, Level 78, 3579 PS, TB 7
Ꭷ Mischief Jinn - 8y, 2 Star, Grullo Splash Varnish Blanket, Tier 1, Level 68, 2392 PS, TB 6
Ꭷ Long After Dark - 6y, 2 Star, Sooty Light Chestnut Dun Sabino Splash Varnish Blanket, Tier 2, Level 75, 3961 PS, TB 7
Ꭷ Cut My Wings - 6y, 2 Star, Silver Brown Dunskin Fewspot, Tier 1, Level 59, 2782 PS, TB 6
Ꭷ Faded Forgotten - 6y, 3 Star, Blue Roan Sabino, Tier 1, Level 55, 1398 PS, TB 5
Araloosa Mares
Order - 23y, 3 Star, Lilac Roan Dun Varnish Roan Rabicano, Tier 2, Level 100, 4726 PS, TB 10, *For Brood: 25k
The Last Valley - 22y, 2 Star, Amber Dun Sabino Blanket, Tier 2, Level 111, 5730 PS, TB 11, *For Brood: 35 ingots
Ꭷ Stay Of Execution - 9y, 2 Star, White, Tier 2, Level 88, 4151 PS, TB 8
Ꭷ Fall The Temptation - 8y, 2 Star, Rose Grey Varnish Blanket Rabicano (Amber Champagne Roan), Tier 2, Level 81, 3464 PS, TB 8
Ꭷ Influx - 7y, 2 Star, White, Tier 1, Level 59, 1551 PS, TB 6
Ꭷ Divider - 7y, 3 Star, Sooty Golden Champagne Splash Varnish Roan, Tier 2, Level 74, 2882 PS, TB 7
Ꭷ Overhauled - 7y, 3 Star, Sooty Silver Buckskin Splash Varnish Blanket, Tier 1, Level 69, 2314 PS, TB 7
Ꭷ Distance Far Few - 7y, 1 Star, Red Roan Dun Splash Fewspot, Tier 2, Level 73, 3332 PS, TB 7
Ꭷ Slap Happy - 7y, 2 Star, Bay Varnish Roan, Tier 1, Level 63, 3056 PS, TB 6
Ꭷ Depth Of Possession - 6y, 3 Star, Black Varnish Blanket, Tier 1, Level 63, 2581 PS, TB 6
Ꭷ Dimming Memories - 6y, 3 Star, Cremello, Tier 1, Level 60, 1800 PS, TB 6
Ꭷ Ballad Of Regicide - 5y, 3 Star, Gold Cream Splash Varnish Roan, Tier 1, Level 61, 2108 PS, TB 6
Ꭷ Trace Of Legends - 5y, 2 Star, Amber Silver, Tier 1, Level 56, 2485 PS, TB 5
Ꭷ Rusted Dismissal - 4y, 2 Star, Black Sabino, Tier 1, Level 51, 2431 PS, TB 5
Ꭷ Sculpting Crisis - 3y, 1 Star, Classic Cream, Tier 1, Level 38, 2528 PS, TB 3
Ꭷ Sovereign Cataclysm - 2y, 2 Star, Perlino Splash Varnish Roan, Tier 1, Level 42, 1882 PS, TB 4
Ꭷ Litany Of The Fallen - 1y, 1 Star, Silver Brown Bay, Tier 1, Level 24, 2275 PS, TB 2
***END***
Okay, PS and TB are two different things.
TB = Training Boost
TB is more important, because this is what increase PS throughout the horse's lifetime as you train.
PS = Performace Stats
PS is what determines where your horse can compete in it's discipline. So, what Tier and what level (international, state, local, etc.).
TB is both parents' levels and then divide by 10. This gives you the foals TB after foal training is complete. With one exception, this is what the TB maximum of the foal you're looking for.
PS is [generally] both parents' points (performance stats points) added together and then divided by 4. This gives you the minimal that the foal will start out at in the discipline you choose. But since disciplines only use three stats, the horse is comprised of only those three stats for that discipline. So this is why a horse will have different levels in different disciplines (for instance, being local Tier 1 in racing while being international Tier 1 in vaulting).
If you take another look at my earlier reply, I mentioned that the PS would be over 2000 but that the TB would be 20.
Is that a little more clear now? 😊
Yeah that makes sense. When will the foal be available?
just a girl who loves horses...
Wait is 2000 the max PS or the PS when born?
just a girl who loves horses...
PS when born. Minimal (or thereabouts). You'll increase the PS after foal training is done and you can regularly train the horse (those weekly trainings).
I'll breed the horses in a minute and apply the foal into a trade.
Ok great!!!
just a girl who loves horses...
@KatieLee
Here's what you can expect from these two:
Foal TB (after foal training): 15
Approximate PS: 1700 (Pole Specialty International Tier 1)
Breed Variance Prospective: Looks like at best, you'll have three greens, two yellows and an excellent. A 3 star at best. I'm expecting this foal to be no less than 2 star, however.
Genetic Color Potentials: Base coat will be black, wild bay or bay. Could be a carrier of pearl and flaxen and will be a varnish (Lp).
And yes, we can do this pair for 5000. I'd be willing to go as low as 2500, if you need some extra breathing room.
As soon as you review the potential outcome and agree on the final price (just tell me what you want to pay), I'll pair these two together and put up a private trade with the results.😊
P.S. Don't worry about the other two. I understand the hesitancy of using the ones that have already been opened to the public. The breeding fees on them is expensive for a reason. 😃 It should help to encourage people to request my younger horses.
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Can I get her
https://horsefable.com/horse/1700964
and him
https://horsefable.com/horse/1671593
thank you! I can pay 5,000 at the most. Tempest Fiend has served me well, thanks again!! He is about to retire, would you like him back to retire with you? (I have like 5 of his foals).
just a girl who loves horses...
@ Crystal Mountain Stables and Rescue
Here's what you can expect from these two:
Foal TB (after foal training): 19
Approximate PS: 2000 (Pole Specialty Elite Tier 1)
Breed Variance Prospective: 1 star, 1 excellent, 2 yellows and 3 reds. Very little chance of variance with this.
Inbred Alert: From what I can see, the foal will be sharing a great grandfather: Depths Of Deceit However, a great grandfather is much closer to linebreeding than direct inbreeding... I don't generally pay too much attention to this. I do try to avoid it, but only in the visible pedigrees. Of course, I've made mistakes from time to time. 🙄
Genetic Color Potentials: The foal will be a chestnut base, with hidden bay. The foal may be flaxen, but will carry one gene for it. The foal may carry pearl. The foal is likely to be dun, but there's a chance of it missing out entirely. The foal may have a blanket, may be a fewspot blanket and may even miss out entirely as well as just being a varnish. The foal may also inherit roan or white, so even with all of the color genes possible, the foal may actually pop out the same color as the dame, a white horse.
In light of your restricted finances, I'm willing to make this pairing for as low as 1500, so you have your choice of payment anywhere between 1500 and 5000, whatever price you're most comfortable with. As soon as you give your final okay and choose your final price, I'll breed them together and set up a private trade.
P.S. And yes, I would appreciate it, if he returned to me. It's great that they've all been as helpful as they were and that you acquired further show stock to keep you going. I'll even pay 25k for you to send him back, as credit and thank you for being careful with them and their lines.☺️
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I would love the foal! I can currently pay 2,000 bits.
just a girl who loves horses...
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